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Thursday, June 26, 2008

A Lunch and a Sign

I want to now talk about a lunch I had two days ago in combination with something I saw yesterday.

We had no previously-paid-for lunch, so we walked to Johnny Rockets and, as usual, had some other people tag along. This time, it was two representatives from the Covenant Network.
The Covenant Network of Presbyterians was that first dinner that I missed out on for a YAD event. It is an organization in support of the inclusion of homosexuals into the church community.

Just typing that sentence makes me think:
"Inclusion."
"Church community."
Why are those words sometimes mutually exclusive to each other?

So at Johnny Rocket's, I sat across from Brian. Brian is in seminary and is homosexual. (He also has a nice smile, wears cool clothes, and he likes Apple--there are many things to learn about Brian.)

To me as I learn about these issues, the issue of the “inclusion of homosexuals into the community” has been a no-brainer.
I’ve heard the argument against their membership. I understand that when a person becomes a member of the church PC(USA), they make a commitment to at least try to live a life following the footsteps of Christ. So, logistically, someone “planning to live a lifestyle of sin” would not fulfill that requirement.

So what? We don’t let them in? If it is your belief that homosexuality is a sin, then where else but the church would you have these people be?

So for me, everyone. Every single person should have a place in the church. No questions. None. If Satan himself wanted to be a PC(USA) member, Jesus has made a place for him, why should we not?

That said. I have never given a clear answer to others of what I think about homosexual ordination--because I just don’t know.

I don’t know what I think the Bible says about homosexuals. I do know that it does say to love people. That’s usually my answer. But really? What do I think about it?

I think that we have pastors that are liars. Cheaters. Fakers. Judgers. Intimidators. Salesmen.

Should they be ordained?

I would say (very carefully), that we shouldn’t make the judgment exclusive, remember that we are all worthy of judgment from God, and rejoice in the call that so many loving individuals feel towards the ministry.

So, Brian. Brian answered all of our questions. He was so helpful and willing to indulge us. I’m sure some of the things we asked were ignorant, but Brian just smiled and said he would hear the question and answer if he wanted to.

Brian feels called to be a Minister of the Word and Sacrament. When he graduates soon, he doesn’t know whether or not he will be allowed to practice his call.

He talked of how some people will tell him, “Oh, well, you can still be in ministry, you just don’t need to be ordained.” But Brian feels called to be a Minister of the Word and Sacrament. Why can’t Brian follow his call? And who gave us the right to tell him he wasn't called by God?

When I talked to him, he reminded me of my favorite college student that we had in youth group when I was younger in the way that he took what we were saying seriously. I think he would be a great pastor.

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And now to what I saw yesterday. I was walking to P.F. Chang's to meet my friends for dinner and on the way there, I saw a man "preaching" to a small crowd. Beside him was a man holding a sign with various words like, DRUNKS, THIEVES, ADULTERERS, HOMOSEXUALS.

I put these in caps because that's how the words were displayed. Big. Confrontational. And followed by the word HELL.

As I walked passed them (numerous times, might I add, because I couldn’t find the restaurant), I tuned in to what I thought God was telling me to do. I finally decided that he had rejected my willing offer to run over, grab the sign, and run away with it, because “the preacher” had a t-shirt on with the same words, so it wouldn't have gotten rid of the message anyway.

One man had a sweatshirt on that had two words in caps: TURN and BURN. As I got closer I saw the words in between. It read: TURN to Jesus or BURN in Hell. (Cheerful bunch, yeah?)

As we walked back to the Convention Center, I was looking for the group and was unhappy to see that they had either relocated or sent “friends” to the entrance of the Convention Center.
Now, I’ll admit, I am one of the rebellious youth of the generation, so as we came to the Convention Center and had to cross the street, I...jaywalked. I know. Renegade.

As I was walking across the road, one of our new friends caught my eye and said, "Break man's law you get a ticket; break God's law you go to hell."
To which my response was, "not through Jesus."

I don't think he heard me, and it wouldn't have made much of a difference if he had, but seriously? Break God's law automatically means you go to hell? Geez, I was way off. I had this crazy idea of redemption mixed in there. I'm in trouble for sure.

As we continued to get closer to the Convention Center doors, we saw the That All May Freely Serve group standing, smiling, and holding a tray of cookies.

Hell vs. cookies.

I walked up to them and thanked them for being there out of love and one of them gave me a hug. One of my friends jokingly suggested that they give a cookie to the "friends" a few feet away. They told us that they had already tried and been rejected.

Our "friends'" reaction and action makes me mourn for the world. Why? How can someone use Jesus like that? Talk about using the Lord's name in vain.

Hell. Versus. Cookies.

Is there really a question of who we should be?

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So what do I think about homosexuals in the church?

I think some people are loving. I think others are not. I think Jesus wants some of the loving ones to be pastors, and the others to come to church.

I think Jesus loves everyone.

And I hope I can try to do that too.

7 comments:

  1. Addie,

    I think you are now ready to join my leage of social justice. Lets stand up to those who misrepresent God's love. Why be passive, why let their message be heard? Why let that be the image of God that some people see when we could change that? (we will get capes wen you get back)

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  2. Adds,

    First, does is John's league of justice so exclusive that it won't even allow the letter "u" into the word "leage"? Elitist...

    Second, as previously stated, I love your bloggin'.

    Threes, the thing that struck me about this entry is that the people that we are really supposed to love are the ones holding the mean signs. Yes, we need to love and serve the oppressed as well, but Jesus is just as clear that we need to love our enemies, and our enemy isn't homosexuality, it's haters. How do we love haters? It's easy to say, "Oh, they are jerks who won't listen anyway." That's what I do.

    But Jesus is pretty clear that haters need just as much of our love as the poor and oppressed do.

    I don't know how we do that. I'm glad that the cookie people tried. The easiest, or rather, thing that we want to do, is to confront them. I'm not sure that's the same as loving though.

    Yeah, I don't know. Your blog has created a conundrum in my brain.

    How do we love haters? Actually love them for real? It's easier to have compassion and sympathy for the poor and oppressed. We WANT to help them. Why would we want to help those who hate, and to show them love when they are so filled with anger?

    Jesus forgave people even as they were killing him.

    Hmm.

    I still don't know what this means for how we are to live. How do you forgive that kind of hate, and even more, how do you LOVE in the midst of it?

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  3. For me, to "love our enemies" has always been more of a "tolerance of our enemies" or a "not hating our enemies."
    The thing that really got me was when C.S. Lewis told me I couldn't just "not hate" the haters, but that I have to love them. Love. Like I love my family. Like I love my friends. How can I love someone spreading so much hate as much as I love mom?

    I would tell God it was too tricky a task, but he's be to busy completing it toward us.

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  4. Loving enemies is hard. Sometimes loving haters is being true and honest with them. Kinda like, I don't like you very much right now but I love you. To know and respect that they are a child of God as well. It is never an easy task, but letting people continue to live their lives hating is not loving them. Love others as God loves us, it is a hefty call but it is necessary.

    Ty, you can be in the league as well. Think you can still love me even though I can't spell?

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  5. I'm with Ty, I love your blogging. two things: I think loving haters is really more of a process - continuing to seek out how to be like Christ to them and then asking for God's grace and the power of the Spirit to do just that. I'm surpised you guys find it hard. I have had it down for like 3 or 4 years now.
    Second - I know I have said this, but I really like hearing your perspective on things, especially the homosexual ordination issue. It forces me to think, and I like that.
    your description of your conversation with Brian made me think and I think come to a conclusion. The bottom line is do you believe that homosexual actions are sinful? I think that is a debatable point but here is what I mean.
    If it is a sin, then like any other sin committing it or feeling the urge to commit it doesn't mean someone should not be allowed to be ordained. But like any other sin (if that is what it is) seeking to have it lifted up in your life instead of seeking God's transformative grace in your life is where the problem comes in.
    Of course this does nothing to answer the question of sin or not, but I think it frames the discussion. yes? no?

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  6. Jesus forgave people even as they were killing him.

    Hmm.

    I still don't know what this means for how we are to live. How do you forgive that kind of hate, and even more, how do you LOVE in the midst of it?

    June 27, 2008 9:09 AM

    addie domske said...
    For me, to "love our enemies" has always been more of a "tolerance of our enemies" or a "not hating our enemies."
    The thing that really got me was when C.S. Lewis told me I couldn't just "not hate" the haters, but that I have to love them. Love. Like I love my family. Like I love my friends. How can I love
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    Hey! I love hearing/seeing both of you {Ad & Ty} struggle with the life that God made for us. It's easy to live in the black and white, but how do we live in the gray, when others see vastly different shades. Jesus modeled for us the answer to that with His life of love! But . . . how to apply it?!? What would He do? He not only said, "Then neither do I condemn you," but he also said, "Go and sin no more." Which is applicable here? Both?!?
    Is it easier to love 'the haters' or love your dad?

    I'm not sure I agree with the vote I watched on the stream yesterday on deleting ordination standards, but I am glad you are directly involved in searching for God's Will there. I'm sure this is all just a step, not a destination.
    DAD

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